Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Does our current policy encourage mass refugee claims?

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Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby apsco17 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:14 pm

I'm going to quote a letter to the editor about Sri Lankan refugee claimants from the Victoria Times Colonist because he raises a good ovservation.

Immigration rules encourage boat people


By David Johnson, Times Colonist July 27, 2010


A July 25 article advised that last year 76 Sri Lankan asylum-seekers aboard the Ocean Lady made the jump into Canada and soon 213 more will be arriving on the MV Sun Sea.

Canada's immigration policies encourage large groups to find a ship and head to Canada. This way one avoids long waiting lists and will be put up at Canadian taxpayer expense while months go by awaiting refugee-board hearings.

Can we take all who would claim refugee status? I think not.

David Johnson

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Immig ... z0uw2stN00


Is he right? Does our policy of sending mass refugee claimants to a 4 star hotel for a year instead of an internment camp encourage more refugee claimants to hop on a boat to Canada? What should our refugee policy and limits be?
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Re: Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby apsco17 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:08 pm

Looks like he is right. The Sun Sea just showed up with a load of Tamil Tigers on board, after being turned back by Australia and topping up with an extra 300 or so "refugees" they have docked in Victoria and are about to start drinking from our welfare trough.

With its freight of illegal immigrants, the ship was headed for Australia; it rerouted and set course for B.C. And yet, Canada, as evidenced by the fact the ship is now in Canadian custody, and its hundreds of passengers about to be absorbed into our refugee and immigration system, could do not a single thing to stop it.

Read more: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... z0wiMrSDFA


Sounds like a clarion call to change our current refugee system to something that works. What would that look like?

Ottawa is also now reported to be looking at strategies implemented by former Australian prime minister John Howard that put a rapid stop to the uninvited human transports arriving on his shores. Announcing in 2001 “we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come,” Mr. Howard’s Pacific Solution, as it was called, created offshore island processing centres, outside Australia’s migration zone, where uninvited ships were forcibly redirected. Arrivals remained technically outside the country until their claims were evaluated. In the subsequent six years—before the policy was reversed by the incoming Labour government—the number of human smuggling boats averaged just three a year.

Some inside Canada’s government recommend working co-operatively with Australia in creating a joint offshore processing centre. After all, Australian voters, after trying both ways, have apparently decided lately they prefer Mr. Howard’s approach after all. The Australian Labor Party, led by Kevin Rudd, came to power in 2007 calling the Pacific Solution a “cynical, costly and ultimately unsuccessful exercise,” and promising a kinder, gentler way. But within the last year alone, the number of boats arriving in Australia was back over 100, the number of passengers, at nearly 5,000—the highest ever. It was, says Mr. Collacott, who also sees offshore processing as Canada’s best alternative, one reason Labor fired Mr. Rudd as leader in June. Australia’s new prime minister, Julia Gillard announced last month that she would begin reviving offshore processing for asylum seekers once again.


We are being set up and gamed by people smugglers, "former" terrorists and so-called refugees. Canada needs to crack down fast and hard to send the same message that Australia sent - showing up unannounced with your hand out doesn't work.
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Re: Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby apsco17 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:23 pm

A surprisingly down-to-earth editorial from the Montreal Gazette about our lax refugee policy.

But what can we do? The grim fact is that Canada can do little about this sort of migration. A smaller human cargo, 76 Tamils, arrived off B.C. last October; Ottawa officials said then that at least 25 of them were from the ruthless, now defeated Tamil Tiger insurgency, but ultimately all 76 were released; most are now believed to be in Toronto.

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews is blustering away ( "Human smuggling is a despicable crime and any attempted abuses of our nation's generosity for financial gain are utterly unacceptable") but he, and the government, are also floundering for ways to respond. A 1985 Supreme Court ruling extended Charter of Rights protection to anyone who gets to Canada and invokes the magic word "refugee," while our United Nations obligations bar us from, say, commandeering a vessel at sea and sailing it back to any place where lives or freedom would be threatened by discrimination.

Together, these realities make Canada a gold rush destination for people smugglers. And why should anyone wait abroad, in an immigration queue, when line-jumpers can get in so quickly?

It may now be time for Canada to follow Australia, which in April declared that it would accept no more refugee claims from Sri Lanka, since security for all has improved there lately.

But even that measure would not help if numerous shiploads of ill and desperate people start fetching up off Esquimault. But look to Australia again: As far back as 2001, that country's then-prime-minister John Howard said, with great good sense, "we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come."

He then set up processing centres for claimants on Christmas Island, on Papua New Guinea's Manus Island, and on Nauru. Uninvited ships were escorted there; migrants never got to Australia. Human smuggling soon fell off dramatically.

It was a drastic step, and we know of no suitable sites off the B.C. coast. But such a firm measure did solve the problem for Australia.

As long as desperate people -to say nothing of criminals -believe they can improve their lot by reaching Canada, they will come, paperwork or none. Canada needs to acknowledge that the emerging problem of large-scale people-smuggling demands new approaches.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/May ... z0wivAcvOK


This boat may become the tipping point that opens the gates to refugee (and eventually immigration) reforms that put Canada first. When an urban paper like the Gazette accepts that our current policy has to change, it means the most ardent supports of wide open refugee quotas are actually starting to think this may not be such a good idea after all. It will be interesting to see if this is just a flash in the pan or if momentum for change starts to grow.
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Re: Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby apsco17 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:38 pm

The Sun Sea Tamils aren't going away and the politicians are noticing.

Friday's arrival in Esquimalt of 490 Tamil migrants aboard the MV Sun Sea may hand the Harper Conservatives an issue that will allow the party to redeem itself after a stretch of bad press and dismal polls.

It is Public Safety Minister Vic Toews -- not Immigration Minister Jason Kenney -- doing the talking on this file.

And he's talking tough, attempting to tap into Canadian anger and frustration by focusing on the human smuggling and terrorist side of the story.

Toews is warning of a crackdown and asserts that the latest boatload of asylum seekers is but a "test boat" that will be followed by others.

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Meanwhile, New Democrats are appealing for public generosity. Immigration critic Olivia Chow urges: "If the Tamils arriving are genuine refugees, allow them to stay and process them quickly and fairly."

Liberal messaging is more confused, with the party attempting to craft a middle-ground position, wanting to be seen as humanitarian but not gullible patsies.

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Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Conser ... z0x0jRwesp


Based on other comments I've seen, the Conservative position more closely matches the majority's feelings on this issue.

Really, there are no easy solutions. Ships leave other nations and often make stops elsewhere en route before docking in Canada, so a multinational response is needed.

And, the Law of the Sea does not permit Canada to intercept ships in international waters and direct them away from this country.

Moreover, once migrants reach Canadian shores, they have full protection of the Charter of Rights.

Other countries with different constitutions -- such as Australia -- have come up with different remedies that legally couldn't be applied in Canada.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Conser ... z0x0kA5hmj


I'm starting to really loath Trudeau for cementing a suicide pact masquerading as a Charter of Rights on this country. Law of the sea? Who cares. Require visas for ships to enter our territorial waters or do unto intruders as Australia does. At the very least, hold them locked up in detention in, oh ... Churchill or Iqaluit until a quick determination is made as to whether or not they are legitimate refugees. Another option is to automatically deny refugee status to anyone not from a country we have placed on a list. And when we deport them, charge them for the plane ticket.

Levant says Canada should set up a refugee-processing centre on the Haida Gwaii and handle Tamils as Australia does.

And judging from commentary this weekend on websites discussing the Tamil arrivals, Levant has captured the spirit of the public's reaction to the Sun Sea.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Conser ... z0x0lvrM1E


Levant is right - something has got to change, and soon.
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Re: Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby apsco17 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:58 pm

Looks like change is indeed on the way. Here's the poll results on the Tamils arrival:

Send them home and use the Navy if necessary is the message coming from a new poll on the Tamil boat people issue.

By a margin of five to one, Canadians say the government should reject the almost 500 would-be refugees from Sri Lanka who arrived last week.

The Leger Marketing poll of 1,500 people, released exclusively to QMI Agency, was conducted from Aug. 2 to Aug. 4 as the ship travelled towards the British Columbia coast.

Asked which statement best described their own opinion on what should be done with the ship, which may include members of the banned Tamil Tiger terrorist group, 60% agreed with the statement: "They should be turned away - the boat should be escorted back to Sri Lanka by the Canadian Navy."

Just 17% agreed with the statement: "They should be accepted into Canada as political refugees."

A significant number, 20%, said they did not know which answer to choose and 4% did not answer.


http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/08/19/15080536.html

Note that this poll occurred before the ship's arrival. The rapid release from custody and the media predictions of them quickly disappearing or settling in and being granted automatic refugee status may help the 20% who didn't know how to respond answer the question next time.

With this much support for changing our laws to prevent refugee claims abuse, Parliament may be able to round up enough support to actually make some changes. Or not, if the other parties can't set aside their pro-immigration ideology for the benefit of the country.
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Re: Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby PaxCdn » Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:28 am

I don't know if this has made news outside of southern Ontario but I'll report it in this thread because the comments made by a Toronto city councilor was sparked by the arrival of the Tamil migrants.

Toronto is going to have municipal elections in October and one mayoral candidate, Rob Ford, expressed reservations about Toronto's growing immigration fueled population.

http://www.nationalpost.com/Rivals+conf ... story.html
"Right now we can't even deal with the 2.5 million people in this city. I think it is more important to take care of people now before we start bringing in more people," Mr. Ford responded. "There's going to be a million more people, according to the official plan, which I did not support, over the next 10 years coming into the city.

"We can't even deal with the 2.5 million people. How are we going to welcome another million people in? It is going to be chaotic.... I think we have to say enough's enough."


I cannot recall, living in Toronto myself, any politician at the municipal, provincial, or federal levels ever openly question Canada's immigration system. And he made the comments while campaigning for the office of mayor no less! And predictably his opponents jumped all over him for it as if immigration doesn't create more problems than it is supposed to solve.

Toronto's municipal elections may be worth following. Right now Rob Ford is one of the front runners. His popularity rests mostly on attacking excessive spending by municipal government and bringing fiscal responsibility to the city. He knows that Toronto has become the dumping ground for excessive immigration quotas and that Torontonians are going to be billed to care for the Tamil migrants who will undoubtedly settle in the city.

He acknowledges that immigration is a federal matter but perhaps he may apply pressure on Ottawa to bring it under control. Unfortunately he has a tainted past that his opponents, and the Toronto Star, are exploiting to prevent his election. However he is a fighter and he may actually win.
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Re: Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby apsco17 » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:28 pm

What's this? The Refugee Board has agreed to keep 443 Tamils in detention instead of throwing the doors wide open?

Canada's independent Immigration and Refugee Board has ordered that all the 443 adult Tamil asylum-seekers who arrived in the country earlier this month on board a cargo ship must remain under detention until their identities are verified.

The ruling on Monday came after the Board agreed to the government's request for more time to analyze the migrants' identity documents.

Despite their continued detention, Canadian laws provide the refugee claimants with the right to periodic detention hearings by an adjudicator, who has the authority to release them.

All the adult Tamil asylum-seekers from Sri Lanka were detained on August 13 after the cargo ship carrying them docked at a Canadian naval base in British Columbia after a three-month journey.


http://www.rttnews.com/Content/GeneralNews.aspx?Id=1400537&SM=1

Change must be on the wind when the Government asks for more time to find out if any of these so-called refugees are actually terrorists, and the notoriously pro-refugee board agrees to the request. Could even the appointees be feeling some of the heat from the public opposition to our gutless refugee laws?
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Re: Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby apsco17 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:29 pm

A few letters to the editor addressing our current refugee policies make for interesting reading.

First up, a letter by Kingley Beattie who is a former immigration officer.

My experience as an old, and cynical, immigration officer leads me to suspect that our humanitarianism is restricted to those citizens who are prepared to use their own resources to receive and settle refugees.

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It is difficult, if not impossible, to accurately determine the veracity of claims made in Canada. In some cases, identity may not be proven. Many cases are based on claims that have been successful for other refugees. We stand a much better chance of selecting legitimate refugees when the selection is make overseas, as in the case of the Vietnamese. They did not arrive uninvited and knock on the door.

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The primary mission of any immigration service is to control access to a nation's territory. Canada has lost that ability. There are millions who could make reasonable claims to refugee status. Many have the interest and the will to shop for countries with the easiest access and best treatment. Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand are destinations of choice.

There was nothing to stop the Tamils from crossing the narrow channel to the Indian mainland, to join the huge population of fellow Tamils. They, like the other 34,000 per year who arrive by air, will go into the 60,000 backlog for two or three years. A very small percentage will be refused and few of them will ever be deported. More will be motivated to make the same pilgrimage.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Open+ ... z0xfeZWOqH


A briefer but equally direct comment from Vancouver:

The laws need to be followed to allow fairness and transparency for those want to immigrate to Canada.

A boatload of people trying to jump the queue should be turned around and forced to go to the back of the line. Can you imagine if people butted into line at the grocery store or movie theatre, and got away with it because they screamed "racism" whenever someone took offence to their rudeness? Social anarchy! Restore order and deport queue-jumpers.

Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/life/Restore ... z0xfegrYDZ


Both letters are quite direct and forcefully argue for immigration reform. Usually, these type of comments don't get published because the editors don't believe that they reflect public opinion. Looks like opinion is changing.
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Re: Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby apsco17 » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:32 am

A stunningly foolish guest column was published in the Vancouver Province that condescendingly calls Canadians concerned about refugee fraud a bunch of xenophobes.

They came as Vietnam War draft dodgers from the U.S. in 1967. Like a couple of the Tamil women who just arrived, my mom was pregnant with me. My parents did not seek advance permission from Ottawa to immigrate. They did not fill out any paperwork before arriving. And they could no more seek permission to leave from their home government than these Tamils could, for what they were doing, as far as the U.S. was concerned, was illegal and would result in my father's arrest.

Of course that's the thing about being an asylum-seeker — you don't get into a queue. When you've got to go, you've got to go.


Ignoring whether or not a draft dodger is really a refugee, note that Seth's parents made their claim at the first foreign location they arrived at. These Tamils left from Thailand, not Sri Lanka. If they were genuine refugees fleeing persecution, they had already succeeded before they even boarded that boat. No, these aren't refugees fleeing persecution, these are fraud artists looking for a soft touch. In Thailand, they'd have to actually start working right away and receive little to no handouts from the Government. Not quite the same scenario as Canada, is it? Here, we get to start working right away to support them - and the dozens of family they have every intention of sponsoring into Canada at the first opportunity.

The vast majority of these globally displaced people are not being absorbed by wealthy countries, but rather internally or by neighbouring poor countries — the places least able to afford the costs and with the bleakest economic prospects. The number of refugees accepted by Canada has declined in recent years, and last year we accepted fewer than 20,000 — just over 0.1 per cent of global refugees. Surely, when a few hundred people arrive on our shores, we can afford to treat them with respect and grant them due process.


Canada accepted 0.1% of the world's refugees? How very generous considering that our proportion of the world's population is only
0.0049%. In other words, we accepted 20 times our share of world refugees, based on our share of the world's population and Seth says we should be treating them with respect? Why, they didn't respect our laws when they made a fraudulent end run around our immigration laws when they left a perfectly safe country for the opportunity to steal from Canadian taxpayers.

When my parents arrived, some Canadians slapped unwelcome labels on the war resisters, but the government itself refrained from such labelling. By and large, the draft dodgers were welcomed, and went on to make valuable contributions to Canada. Much the same can be said of the Vietnamese boat people who arrived in the late 1970s. Why can't better receptions be the norm?

A key difference today is that the government itself immediately labelled the Tamil asylum-seekers as terrorists, criminals and queue-jumpers, before any due process. In doing so, they set the tone of the debate, and gave licence to a particularly nasty wave of xenophobia.


Why can't better receptions be the norm? Because the Vietnamese boat people didn't show up unannounced in Victoria, they were invited and screened overseas before being allowed into Canada. We chose to allow them entry, they didn't barge their way in like these Tamils have done nor were there serious and credible concerns that many of them were violent terrorists who hadn't accepted the loss of their country in a civil war. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, Seth.

Finally, we have the accreditation at the end of the post:

Seth Klein is director of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives' B.C. office

Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/life/What+ha ... z0xti1hHfQ


Centre for Policy Alternatives. That explains Seth's ideological embrace of Tamils at the expense of Canadians. He thinks that anyone less well off than him must be noble and worthy while well off Canadians have done something unsavory because we have such a successful country. The least we can do to make amends for somehow exploiting the world's poor while we maintain our county's standing is to let in any of them who can reach Canada, whether by hook or by crook. What Seth doesn't realize is that our success is fragile and depends on the rule of law and a stable, homogeneous society. Throwing the doors wide open, which is what he is advocating, to any and all refugees will, over time, destroy what makes Canada so attractive a Country to live in in the first place.

The Tamils must be sent back to send an unambiguous message that Canada is not a soft touch, not coddled, and the Seths of Canada need to stop encouraging more fraud in our already abused refugee system.
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Re: Refugee Claimants - Time for a policy change?

Postby apsco17 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:03 pm

A letter to the editor that looks skeptically upon our recent Tamil "refugees".

I welcome Canada providing asylum to genuine refugee claimants. The recent arrivals from Sri Lanka aren't refugees but economic migrants.

It is abundantly clear that over the years Sri Lankan Tamils have cleverly used Canada's porous immigration laws and refugee determination procedure to their advantage, as evidenced by the more than 300,000 Tamils living in Ontario.

The recent arrivals raise a host of questions: How did they raise the huge amounts of money for the travel" Who arranged the trip? Where is the ship's captain who benefits financially from the voyage? What about the suspected presence of Tamil Tigers? The government should be seeking answers to these and other questions instead of blindly accepting stories spun by the illegals and their supporters.

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There is an urgent need to revamp the immigration and refugee determination guidelines to prevent more "refugee" ships docking at our shores, with well-orchestrated tales of persecution and suffering.

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Queu ... z0yEOtpwT8


The outrage that normally fades so quickly in Canada is still simmering and the author makes a good point - it's one thing to focus on the "refugees" but if you also focus on the enablers and throw them into jail, the supply of ships and crews willing to deliver these high paying frauds will dry up. It may not be the sole answer to this growing problem, but it could be a promising start.
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